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Base Cup Hole: Yea or Nay?

Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by Emil Apostol, Nov 5, 2018.

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Base Cup Hole?

  1. Yes

    18 vote(s)
    62.1%
  2. No

    11 vote(s)
    37.9%
  1. Emil Apostol

    Emil Apostol Slayer

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    Not sure if this is already a thread (feel free to merge this with already-existing ones, Admins).

    What are your opinions on the Base Cup/Lunar Balance/ "booty" hole? Another innovation in Kendama design that, while not as prominent as bigger cups or sticky paint, seems to be more desirable nowadays.

    Yea? Nay? On the fence? Sound off!

    Personally, I would love it more if not for the fact that I can't do Clutch with a basecup hole.
     
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  2. Wendy Nugroho

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    Yea!
    i definitely will vote for base cup hole rather than bigger cups or sticky paint.
     
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  3. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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  4. Emil Apostol

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    I can live without any of the 3, but they're all nice to have. :)
     
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  5. maxdesu

    maxdesu Honed Member

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    I used to drill all of my kens.. Nowadays I just play them out of the box. Partly because Im lazy, and partly because I've moved away from the Lunar game a little.
     
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  6. Wendy Nugroho

    Wendy Nugroho Member

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    Hey, I'm lazy too✋ i don't even change the string length of the 三色 you gave.
     
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  7. Emil Apostol

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    Never drill my kens, as I find having to purchase the right equipment, dealing with all the woodchips and sawdust, and even the risk of wrecking a perfectly good ken more hassle than it's worth.

    Good point about this though is that more companies are starting to have balance holes come standard on their Kendamas, so there are more chances to try the feature out!
     
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  8. lategreat808

    lategreat808 DS Legend

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    I personally like the base hole but I feel like a swoop in combination with a pointed in or almost cone like indentation in the base cup would be the best.
     
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  9. Emil Apostol

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    Yep! I don't think it ever panned out, but that was the GT 1.5 shape's goal. In addition to the swoop, the base cup's concave area (the "cup") was conical, so it accomplished the goal of relieving weight from the base cup area without going full on base cup hole.
     
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  10. KeeganS

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    I have to go with nay, as a small few number of tricks require full contact between the hand/finger and the base cup like the Clutch trick (spinning the kendama with it balancing on your finger). Which, iirc, is one of the reasons why Iji's new Krom pro mod is the only one without the basecup hole drilled into it as he kept those kind of tricks in mind when designing his.
     
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  11. Andy Dama

    Andy Dama Honed Member

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    Idk abt the base cup hole, it might help to have one Dama with it, but honestly it might feel better just to weight out a lighter sword for more over all balance
     
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  12. Matteo Schulz

    Matteo Schulz Member

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    For me, I do a lot of taps in my play style, and a basecup hole doesn’t make it worse or better; just kind of...weird
     
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  13. Stuart Barron

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    I think the base cup hole is a bit gimmicky.
    Haveing put a hole in several damas( and 1.5ing my walnut E1) I found at most it removes 2-3g tops. If your sword is 9g heavier than the sarado it makes nearly no difference to lunar-ability. It does make one turn two turn tricks a little quicker and maybe kenflips too. Also paint is so sticky on some damas that anything is lunar-able anyway.
    But over all a kendama with a heavier sarado than sword is better regardless of booty hole.
     
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  14. James Hoang

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    While I don't have a fixed opinion on it, I will admit that it does get in the way of Clutch as you mentioned earlier. If I do have it, however, I'll try to incorporate it into a juggle line (Lukas Sandgren style)
     
    Nov 9, 2018
  15. Emil Apostol

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    Y'all try finger spikes with the ken though! They're fun!
     
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  16. Stuart Barron

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    Tried this, got one-two flip. was bit worried about breaking my little finger though :eek:
     
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  17. Emil Apostol

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    Lol another thing you can try: Earth turning the ken with another ken.
     
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  18. Epatts

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    First T ever I got it, haven’t done it since
     
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  19. slothymane

    slothymane Honed Member

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    I enjoy them on some setups but sometimes they destroy the whole balance IMO.
    I own and enjoy setups with and without
     
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