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Instagram Trick VS Edit Trick

Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by Steph Lussier, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Steph Lussier

    Steph Lussier Honed Member

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    Not sure if this thread has been done or not.

    I wanna know what/how you qualify an IG banger VS edit-worthy trick.
    Not only trick wise but also, time wise (how long it took to film/lace), and quality wise if you filmed with your phone or a camera.

    I wanna hear/read your thoughts.
     
    Apr 19, 2017
  2. azleonhart

    azleonhart Moderator Staff Member

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    Back when Instagram made videos under 15s, people are forced to be creative and really lace a banger, then keep the long ass combos for Youtube (Rolf's bird nod-off combo: Kr-Tokyo-Om edit, anyone?).

    I honestly believe that the increase to 60s has somewhat cheapened the experience.
    Lots of padding and unnecessary footy preluding a 10-second banger on IG.
    I love it when Instagram clips are concise, and to-the-point.
    I come for the banger, double tap, and scroll on.

    Meanwhile, Youtube videos are something you need to invest mentally on.
    Long combos, mixed with sprinkles of bangers, with a bit of story and cool shots.
    It's something you sit down, relax, and enjoy the ride (better even when with friends).

    Having said all these, it generally depends on the player itself.
    Like me, i plan a trick a day or two before, practise and then try to get it on cam.
    And i get super stoked when i hit it, so i tend to post it on IG, simply because it's the fastest way to achieve viewership.
    I'm not generally a very patient guy, it takes me a while (read : a long while) to record enough tricks to fit in a YT edit, so i end up getting annoyed about waiting and release the clips on IG anyway.
    (If you notice, 95% of the people appearing in my edits are not me.)

    Quality wise, any sort of source can be used to shoot IG or YT vids, be it phone or DSLR or proper video rig.
    It's really what you choose to do with your media, and how you direct it to convey emotion.
     
    Apr 20, 2017
  3. Gasiek

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    In my opinion, people should be posting on instagram just fast tricks and combos without intro, outro etc. But on youtube there should be long edits with all intro and slo-mo and things to make it look better. Also instagram is a great place to post youtube edit teaser.
     
    Apr 20, 2017
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  4. Joel Clayton

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    I spend more time on instagram tricks. But this is cause I never post edits but I need to
     
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  5. sambarboo

    sambarboo Honed Member

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    I've never done an edit... only IG posts. This summer I hope to film and edit a "proper" YouTube edit... since I've just been playing just over a year it will be more about my sense of kendama play and style rather than any real "bangers" per se.
     
    Apr 20, 2017
  6. furin

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    There is no difference as of right now. The only major difference is the production value, and even then a bunch of people film insta tricks with a DSLR. I understand it, and insta has it's place, but IMO I encourage everyone who has access to a camera and editing software; PLEASE MAKE EDITS. Dont let kendama media live on the subpar platform that is instagram. Let urself be worth a big screen, even if it is just on YouTube.
     
    Apr 20, 2017
  7. Ben Lowe

    Ben Lowe Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't have a good rhyme or reason. I'm not very good yet so I just post on both whenever I can. I figure posting on instagram is better than not posting at all. And posting on youtube usually is around a larger theme or video I'm making (since I haven't really made an "edit" per se.)
     
    Apr 20, 2017
  8. goenKendama

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    Does equipment used really change the category of the content? Would editing talent/skill also change things (e.g. great looking clip with lower skill tricks)? The phone I carry can do a pretty good job at video with JD 60fps and can also handle 4K though at a lower fps. I have a dSLR and GoPro but I still shoot mostly on the phone.
     
    Apr 20, 2017
  9. nikki_deo

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    ^^^ That reminds me of those #15in15 challenge. XD lol That ish was difficult.

    anywayssss, I dont film edits much in general other than for the annual girls vid contest and the occasional IG clip. But for me it's really about the length of the "edit" i'm making. 1 min or less goes to the IG, anything longer goes to YT regardless of quality, editing, or difficulty of tricks. Single/short tricks and no editing goes to the IG story.
     
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  10. Jenny Cho

    Jenny Cho Honed Member

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    I'm very much a visual nitpicker, so I've never filmed a real edit before - if I ever did release one, I'd a) want more skill to land more impressive tricks, and b) have the right equipment to film beautiful shots and edit them correctly. But on IG, I never nitpick - a lot of times my IG videos are actually really ugly with bad lighting and filmed vertically on my iPhone. :p

    I think that for me (and maybe for others) is the difference between YT and IG. I try not to pressure myself to be crazy picky on IG because for me, it's just a platform to post clips, progress, socialize, and get myself to play. If I tried to make my Instagram videos beautiful, I'd probably never manage to post anything at all.

    To each their own, but I can never get myself to make a final edit in subpar quality (which is all I'd achieve now if I attempted). I feel there is definitely less pressure on IG because the clip limit is far shorter, and the reactions and response time is way faster - it feels more like social media than YouTube, which feels like you're posting a finished product or project.
     
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  11. Guy LaBorde

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    I was going to write something, but @azleonhart nailed everything that I was going to say! haha
     
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  12. Koisuru Stephen

    Koisuru Stephen Honed Member

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    Different people like making different kinds of edits, and different people like watching different kinds of edits, so I don't think it's really worthwhile to try and draw lines.
    Food for thought, right now as I'm typing this there are two (officially sponsored) edits on the downspike featured page that have dropped/failed tricks in them. RWB's Damon pro announcement and Kendama USA/Scagline's ROAM. If you can tastefully include a failed trick in your edit, i think you can include anything
     
    Apr 22, 2017
  13. Nick Lectura

    Nick Lectura Moderator Staff Member

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    My IG tricks are basically anything that I don't think is good enough to be put in an edit (which is most of em). Composition, trick, or quality. I haven't filmed with my phone in a long time but I have a few tricks that were filmed with my phone on there. GoPro clips also go on there just because I'm trying to move away from GoPro use unless it is for POV. Only reason why is because I recently picked up a 60D and I want to be using it as much as possible. A lot of my IG clips are also just tricks that have been done before or something very simple/classic, like 123 variations. I haven't filmed a trick for Instagram in a couple months, and I haven't filmed one that wasn't basic in terms of creativity.

    I actually like making my IG clips into a little mini edit with the intro and outro and stuff haha. It helps me practice editing and making videos. You can't make super good edits if you never practice the things you need to include in them. Since all of the good edits have some sort of B-roll, I try to make sure I'm practicing that as much as possible because I always forget to film B-roll. Like I'll leave after lacing and realize "oh shoot I should've filmed this kinda shot" or something like that.
    Plus my IG is like a visual portfolio of the things that I've made in the same way that a YouTube page is. I can look back on it later and see if I'm improving.

    In terms of edits, I haven't made an official edit yet. I have mini ones that are basically just compilations of random clips with a really general theme, not really much of a story going on. I want the edits I put out to be visually pleasing as well as satisfying the bangers category.
    Basically, combine "Jake Wiens in Louisiana" with "Ben Herald || Deep Lace Exploration" and you'll have an idea of what I would want my edit to be like. Throw in a little bit of the new Sweets 2017 Pro Models edits as well.

    I have high standards, so I want my shots to be perfect and just how I pictured them. I also lowkey approach my edits as if they were movies or short films, like I storyboard and plan out how the trick is going to look when paired with the music and stuff. Maybe that's just me, but that's what I do to make sure I know what I'm going out to film for rather than just setting up the camera and hitting record.
    I just started actively filming for my Edit 1 after having the vision for the opening trick written down for like over a year. I only know how I want the edit to start and finish though, so I have to start looking at the rest of it haha :D
     
    Apr 22, 2017
  14. Congarranza

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    #PWP
     
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