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Sarado String Hole Preference

Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by goenKendama, Aug 26, 2017.

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What is your string hole preference?

  1. Offset (Sweets F3 style)

    24 vote(s)
    40.0%
  2. Pinched between sarado and ken (REZ style)

    8 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. Traditional centered (TK16 style)

    24 vote(s)
    40.0%
  4. Tube through the sarado/ken (KUSA Tribute style)

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
  5. Wormhole (GT style)

    8 vote(s)
    13.3%
  6. Other

    6 vote(s)
    10.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    So which sarado string hole style do you prefer? Do you use a different style for different play? Which version would you like to try out?

    Offset (Sweets F3 style)


    Pinched between sarado and ken (REZ style)


    Traditional centered (TK16 style)


    Tube through the sarado/ken (KUSA Tribute style)



    Wormhole (GT style)
     
    Aug 26, 2017
  2. Brandon Jensen

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    So I only have a single negative opinion, and that's the tribute style hole straight through the center. This means that the sarado can't be pushed lower with play, so that the spike last such an incredibly small amount of time in comparison.
     
    Aug 26, 2017
  3. Edric Owen Ladera

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    Well never thought rez would be the first but that style i saw it before last 2016 mugen musous (during world cup). Never tried it but i guess it's kinda like wormhole & off set f3, but this one kinda make swings more linear especially turns...

    Preferably, i would go trad. If ever u find the rez style good, imma pick it as well
     
    Aug 26, 2017
  4. azleonhart

    azleonhart Moderator Staff Member

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    I prefer the old Musou sarado string hole.
    Easy to replace strings!
     
    Aug 26, 2017
  5. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    You can string a Catchy Air like a REZ.

     
    Aug 26, 2017
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  6. Stuart Barron

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    I voted other. I like offset as in Ozora offset. F3 are too offset for my liking.
     
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  7. htimSxelA

    htimSxelA Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree, Ozora style! F3s were like the extreme version of this.

    The string hole placement is actually one of the patents that the JKA holds in Japan. Straight from Kendama.org:

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  8. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    @Stuart Barron @htimSxelA After looking at these three Ozora I couldn't be sure which was correct since the 2016 model is the most noticeable I thought it might have been an aberration.

     
    Aug 30, 2017
  9. Nick Lectura

    Nick Lectura Moderator Staff Member

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    whatever the GT normal string hole falls under. I guess Ozora also since I played a lot of em when I first started
     
    Aug 31, 2017
  10. Stuart Barron

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    @goenKendama Yeah the 2016 one is way over. Intentional or a blunt drill bit?
     
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  11. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    You think it might have skated?

    Technically the new Meijin (formerly TK16) is listed as a 16-2 kendama but it's hole is still dead center.
     
    Aug 31, 2017
  12. Stuart Barron

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    I'm not sure of the term 'skated' but would imagine you mean moved/slipped. Drilling into a radius in metal that would be a definite possibility even if held in a jig which I would guess these are. Wood I'm not so sure about as I've not much experience with it. @htimSxelA may have a better insight and may know Ozoras processes too.

    Yeah Ozora is the only JKA one as far as I have ever seen with the offset hole.
     
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  13. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes "skated" is what I'm used to hearing/using when a bit hits the surface and walks the surface rather than biting into the material. From the manufacturing videos I've seen from Ozora and others I don't remember a jig being used for the small holes like these or the top of the tama but I might have missed it.

    I may have to track someone down and ask if the offset hole is a characteristic of 16-2 kendama.
     
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  14. htimSxelA

    htimSxelA Moderator Staff Member

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    It'll depend on the jigging setup they use to align/drill the hole, but in general, something like this will likely see some variance from piece to piece. The better the jig, the less variance.
    Like @goenKendama said, sometimes drill bits skate around on the surface a bit before they catch and drill in, so that is something to consider as well.

    I just checked my ebony ozora, which I assume they took a little more time than normal on, and the string hole is definitely offset on it
     
    Sep 1, 2017
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  15. lookdadnohandz

    lookdadnohandz Member

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    Hi guys... just wanted to ask where the difference is in having a stringhole or not..

    I‘ve only played with since I‘m playing and now I‘m wondering if there is something good about it to have no stringhole.

    Greets
     
    Mar 4, 2019
  16. ilivir

    ilivir Honed Member

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    in the sarado? why would it be good to have no stringhole?.. i'm confused lol
     
    Mar 4, 2019
  17. htimSxelA

    htimSxelA Moderator Staff Member

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    If you attach the string in a different way, it'll affect the pull up / string tricks. Maybe string tangle too
     
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  18. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    @lookdadnohandz We already had a related thread so yours has been merged.
     
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  19. lookdadnohandz

    lookdadnohandz Member

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    thank you man!!
     
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  20. slothymane

    slothymane Slayer

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    I have had Wormholes, F3, Tribute and "standard" stringholes - the way I like it the most is how daO does it. No string hole in sarado but a hole through the spike
     
    Mar 7, 2019
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