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Shades of Grain

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  1. goenKendama

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    This is Episode 8 for of our series from the goenkendama.com website. Most of the previous entries from our blog are posted over in the Beginner's Forum. If you have a moment check out this post for more info on the other topics. See the original post on goenKendama's site here: Shades of Grain The plan is to update this as time allows.

    If you have any photos or stories to relate regarding wood treatments and woods you've tried them on please post here so we can make this a central source for others who might be considering doing the same thing. And finally, a shout out and thank you to @Andy Dama for lighting a fire under my tail to get this finished up and posted.




    Written by goenKendama on February 22, 2018.

    What started out as an experiment nearly three years ago ended up being an ongoing project experimenting with woods and finishes. Like many players I did not like the uneven grunge that built up over time on my kendama so when I got a pair of Sol Kendama natties I decided to see what I could do about it. I knew a little from the woodworking my grandfather used to do in his shop and a bit more from reading up on how to treat wood cutting boards for kitchen use. There is also a fair amount of knife and outdoors projects in my background so waterproofing and knife handle preventative maintenance gave me some ideas as well.

    In a perfect world all of data would be directly comparable and the photos would all be shot in a light box and color corrected. Unfortunately since this wasn’t a planned project I can only provide before and after shots that I’ve gleaned from looking through thousands of photos from the last several years and as much information on the products and processes that I can remember.



    The main idea is to see the differences in the wood with and without the various products and, where I’m able, to know how the various finishes interact both with the wood and playability of the kendama. In cases where I don’t have a before photo I may pull one off the web just for a comparison against a “normal” kendama of that wood. I will be using “wood finisher,” “wax,” and “finisher” interchangeably in this article.

    Finishes Tested:

    Briwax – high solvent content, waxier finish on most woods, also available in colors (stain+wax), use this outside with ventilation, strong chemical fumes while applying but not after it dries. (*US$1.16/oz at time of purchase)

    Bee Kind – high oil content, creates darker wood colors, slight oiliness even after drying but goes away after playing a while, nice smell goes well with the wood probably the tea tree oil (*US$2.52/oz at time of purchase)

    Camp Dry – meant for leather so it’s waxy but seems to go into the wood well but only 2 sample kendama used so not as much information on it (*US$1.28/oz at time of purchase)

    Clark’s Cutting Board Finish – similar to Bee Kind but a harder (in its initial state) paste wax. It still applies well and soaks into most woods I’ve tried but does seem to leave more a slightly more waxy feeling once heated and wiped down. The Lavender & Rosemary version smells nice, similar to aroma therapy oils. They make a lemon/orange version as well but I don’t want to feel like I’m tossing around a fruit salad. Additionally lemon and orange oils have shorter shelf lives compared to Lavender and Rosemary though I’ve not really had any problems with spoilage. (Shelf Life Chart) (*US$1.6/oz at time of purchase)

    *Compare to Kenditioner v2 US$6.00/oz and Dama Butter US$5.65/oz

    Wood Stain – changes the color but not the feel of the wood. It tends to soak into the wood rather than riding on top like paint, varnish, or shellac. I still put wood finisher over it to protect the wood.

    Overall: More Wax Feeling <—Briwax >Clark’s>Bee Kind—> More Oil Feeling
    The oil feeling after application of Bee Kind wears off fairly quickly. Briwax on most woods is pretty tough and doesn’t wear off much. Clark’s is new so I only recently coated some test kendama with it and haven’t yet played them; more on that as I have data. Camp Dry was only used on two kendama one of which was Composite Bamboo so I can’t really say a lot there.

    General Observations:
    Nearly all woods darken with the application of a finisher but the tighter the grain and the heavier the finish (higher wax content) the less change since the finish rides more on top of the wood rather than soaking into the pores. Oilier finishes will likely need to be reapplied more often. Waxier finishes take longer to break in and sometimes are too slick especially on tight-grained woods.

    More finely sanded or slick finished wood sometimes doesn’t absorb as well as rough finished wood. Some finishes help prevent mold and mildew. (That’s actually a problem for our shop demo kendama sometimes due to the high humidity.) Also some kendama brands actually come with some kind of wood finisher on them straight out of the box so you may be stacking the new finish on one that already exists. Those results can be unpredictable.

    This is my current application process:
    1. Photograph untreated kendama for reference. (optional) It’s nice to be able to see the difference with a before and after shot. I try to shoot in the same conditions for the before and after so they are more directly comparable but sometimes it doesn’t work out.
    2. Disassemble parts and sand and trim as needed. Sometimes the inside of the tama hole will be rough or there will be splintering around the sarado hole. Also if you need to make the ken string hole larger, the part under the sarado, now is the time to do it. Clean up all string holes with a drill, nail, toothpick whatever your preferred implement of destruction. Sand any areas that need it like the tip or rough spots. You want don’t want to come back after you’ve applied the finish and do these tweaks for two reasons, 1) you’ll have to refinish the area to keep the seal complete, and 2) the wood dust will stick to the pores more easily once there is already a finish on the wood; not a big deal but can be hard to clean off and leave a slight discoloration.
    3. Glue the tip with non-gel type superglue. The main reason is that I want the glue to soak into the wood. I need to do it before applying the wood finish so that it is not blocked by the finish. Glue on top of a wood finish doesn’t stick as well or last as long. Wait 30 minutes or more.
    4. Remove brand sticker, JKA seal, etc. Make sure to get all of the sticker’s glue off so the finish will soak in evenly. You may need to use piece of tape to help remove the glue. I wouldn’t recommend acetone or a chemical “goo” remover. (You can skip this part if you aren’t going to heat the kendama later.)
    5. Prep your work area – I put down either a couple of layers of paper or tin foil. The wood finishers are made to soak into wood so if you put treated kendama parts on a wood table without protection you may find that you have marks and little circles from the cups that are nearly impossible to clean off. Also make sure you have good light to insure you can see the coverage is even.
    6. Assemble tools and finisher products – Q-tip (cotton buds), toothpick, paper towel, wood finisher, rubber gloves. The Q-tip and toothpick are used to put finish inside the tama hole, ken string hole divot (if it has one), and sarado hole. I try to seal all the raw wood areas so these help.
    7. Apply finisher – I really try to work it into the cups and in the crevasses near the basecup and any burned logo. I slightly over-coat the parts and set them aside for about 5-10 minutes. Then I go back through and do the hard bits like the holes and “re-massage” the parts and add finisher if it looks like the wood has soaked up all I first applied. I want the parts to soak up as much finisher as possible. After the second pass I leave them over night to dry on their own.
    8. Heat (optional) – The next day I put the non-painted parts into the toaster for heat treatment. (see below for more info)
    9. Final steps – I have started using a two part epoxy on my tips and really like the results so this is when I usually apply the epoxy. I clean the tip (that has already been super glued) with alcohol to remove any wood finisher, apply the epoxy, and hang the ken upside down in a clamp overnight. The reason I don’t put the epoxy on earlier is that it can’t take the heat of the toaster. There are different epoxies out there so there may be some that are better with heat but this is a limitation of what I currently use.
    Heat:
    Fast heat rather than soaking heat seems to help the finish melt into the pores of the wood without damage. I’ve been lucky with this so do at your own risk. I’ve been trying to keep the surface no higher than 70C (measured with an IR thermometer). I have tried hair dryers, heat guns, and toaster ovens. The hair dryer and heat gun are OK for spot tweaks like melting wax inside the sarado hole but not good for overall final finish. First it’s hard to manage the kendama part to get an even heat. It rolls around, falls on the floor, throws liquid wax everywhere and if you’re trying to hold it you can cook your fingers; ask me how I know. Also since you are shooting only one side of the object at a time you’re putting even more stress on the wood since the opposite side is cooler. Because of this there would seem to be a higher chance to warp or otherwise damage the part. And just to emphasize, heat guns are great for their intended use but this isn’t one of them. Those things are wicked.

    I tried the toaster oven in two modes both toaster and oven and I prefer toaster mode. The reason behind it is this: toaster mode hits the part with high heat quickly melting the surface excess wax finish but doesn’t heat-soak the part. The oven mode keeps the parts in the heat for a longer time and will get them hot to the core which you don’t really need; there’s a higher chance of damage (shrink, warp, crack).

    Every toaster will be different and every wood and finish will also behave differently when heated. I usually just get the finish to sweat then pull it out and wipe the excess off with a cotton rag. Paper products tend to get snagged, particularly in the cups, and leave lent that’s harder to remove. Let the parts completely cool before reassembly or you could end up with some stuck parts or even potentially split your sarado.

    One thing to point out is that you do NOT need to heat most finishes for them to be effective. I simply did it first as part of my experiments then later, as needed, on my own kendama. There is definitely a possibility that you could destroy your kendama, start a fire, mess up your toaster, etc. so understand this before you give it a try. The standard disclaimers apply here: heat your kendama at your own risk.

    D.I.Y. wood finishers:
    For those of you wanting to try and create your own wood finish here is a recipe from member “amagad” over on DownSpike.com: “I bring to you “Dama Butter” wood conditioner. The elixir contains: Wood Worx Food Grade Mineral Oil; Oslove Organics T1 Grade Carnauba Wax; BeesWorks 100% Natural Bees Wax; Vitamin E”

    From another DownSpike.com member “Congarranza”: “I made mine without the carnauba wax. Just used white mineral oil, beeswax, and the slightest amount of refined coconut oil. I probably could have used unrefined, but I didn’t want to compete with the lovely smell of beeswax. 140-144F or in your case 60-62C.”

    I have yet to make my own wood finisher but it’s on the “to do list.” For now commercially available products fill my needs and help me to learn what I might want to put in my own concoction when the time comes.

    So there you have it, nearly all the data I have on wood finishes. I’m still looking for some of the photos but this should give you a place to start if you are considering putting some kind of wood finish or treatment on your kendama. There is still a lot to learn and though some of my ideas might not apply to anything other than kendama so far I generally like the results. This is still an ongoing process for me as I discover new finishes and test out different kinds of wood. This will be updated as time allows.

    Woods plus finishes:
    Briwax
    Beech
    = OK for demo kendama to help keep them nice looking but doesn’t go into the wood as well as other combos
    Beech + Colored Briwax = great for Kururin or changing the color of demo kendama in one step, same caveats apply from above
    Birch = so far this is the only wood that works as I’d like with Briwax
    Mahogany/Walnut = not a good combo. Generally slick made worse by the fine sanding on the kendama
    White Oak = really tight wood with a heavy wax works for protecting furniture but makes a kendama like glass. A lot of play has made it better but it’s definitely more of a coating, riding more on top of the wood




    Bee Kind
    Ash
    = light caramel, light/dark lines more pronounced
    Bamboo Laminate = slightly darker goes into the wood well
    Beech = generally uniform light yellow
    Brazilian Cherry = much darker with slight red/purple hue
    Enjyu = fantastic if you like dark, changes a ghosty brown to nearly 70% dark chocolate
    Keyaki = color shift toward orange and killer grain pop
    Mesquite = grain popping darker tan/wheat color
    Maple = uniform lighter yellow than beech, generally very little change
    Padauk = instant dark wood, no orange left, seems to help with mold/mildew or whatever that white powdery substance is that tends to be on Padauk often straight out of the box.
    Purpleheart = instant dark wood but still has a bit of purple in it. Covers over the sap spots that tend to show up on Purpleheart and makes it a uniform color
    Red Elm = depends on the cut of the wood tama is caffè latte but the ken is lighter brown with hints of red
    Red Oak = slight darkening
    Rosewood = darker with a hint of pink still and pops grain you didn’t see before
    Rubberwood = little change, slightly darker but if there are aberrations in the wood it makes them pop (e.g. wood knots or insect tracks) helps the grain a bit
    Spectraply = much darker overall with some colors popping more than others and close relatives darken to where they are less distinguishable from one another (e.g. green & blue)
    Walnut = if it was dark before it’s more so but if it was lighter brown only a bit of color shift
    White Oak = very nice color shift, not too dark and feels much better than Briwax
    Zebrano = really makes the grain pop
















    Camp Dry
    Bamboo Composite
    = it might have made it a bit darker and a bit slipperier but I don’t really think anything is going to help this stuff much since it has a stain already and is mostly glue
    Walnut/Maple = darkening but not as much as Bee Kind, a bit waxier over all but doesn’t change the play much



    Clark’s
    Beech
    = wet wood look similar to Bee Kind but with more of a sheen because of the harder wax
    Keyaki = orange color shift similar to Bee Kind but differential sheen. Ken shaft and sarado saddle slight sheen; inside of cups and slip grip, where the finish is rougher to begin with it seems to soak in better
    Mahogany/Light Walnut = not a lot of change in either wood since this sample is slick finished (might have a finish from the factory) and the woods don’t appear to absorb much of this finish but Mahogany shows a bit of reddening.



    Stain
    Beech + wood stain
    = nice color but requires more effort to apply and offers no protection other than making the wood a uniform color.




     
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  2. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    Japanese Maple Ozora with Bee Kind and burn line (left is a untreated maple). It's actually a bit more yellow than the photo. I used the Bee Kind rather than the Clark's because it soaks in a little better and maple is tight grained so heavier waxes tend to ride on top of the wood more.



    * (reserved for future updates)
     
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  3. James Hoang

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    Yo I dig this! It's kinda nice to learn about how some woods vary with different finishes.
     
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  4. bencan

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    Great work, @goenKendama!

    Will modding your kendama, like using the materials above and putting superglue on the tip, void it for JKA testing to get a level cert?
     
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  5. goenKendama

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    Thank you, it was a bit of a haul but it's mostly completed. I am hoping to get some more photos up when I have a chance.

    As for modifications disqualifying a kendama for JKA level testing or competition the answer is both yes and no. Gluing the tip, and even putting a set screw into the sarado is OK but painting, treating, or other changes to the kendama are not allowed as I understand it. Even putting your name on the kendama has limitations. That said I believe the intent is to keep the kendama "fresh" looking and also not change the handling characteristics. It's one of the reasons they also don't allow seriously beat but otherwise stock kendama for tests and competitions.
     
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  6. Andy Dama

    Andy Dama Honed Member

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    Yes, it's finally here! I love how this project turned out, and how much it's developed since I first saw your stuff
     
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  7. goenKendama

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    Had most of the text a good while back but added Clark's to the mix only since January so for the past week I've been putting that on a bunch of kendama unfortunately most are Beech but I want to see how they hold up after being played a while and that's what I've got on hand. On the road again from tomorrow so I knew I needed to get this off my "to-do" list. I actually shot some video of the application process but it's not exactly riveting action shots so it may or may not make it into the post at a later date. Thanks again for your support.
     
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  8. Sam Strohmyer

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    Sincerely thank you, I was going to do a video of this with kenditioner and different kens, but this whole post is far more precise than I ever could have gotten with my budget. Truly awesome, organized and everything! If you need help with similar projects in the future let me know!
     
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  9. Sam Strohmyer

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    Makes me wonder what some of the rarer homegrown woods would look like treated. Like reclaimed elm, koa, harvest moon, tequila sunrise, keyaki etc...
     
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  10. Andy Dama

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    Nice! This thread is so helpful
     
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  11. Andy Dama

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    Which one is the white oak?
     
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  12. Jasper B.

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    WHOAH. I saw that you have a MESQUITE kendama. I have always wondered about mesquite as a kendama wood. Where are these damas available? Thanks
     
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  13. goenKendama

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    You are most welcome. I like to tinker with things and this project just grew out of my interest in tweaking things. I actually have a couple of videos of me applying it but frankly they're kind of tedious to watch though I've found that there are certain methods I use to get the kendama thoroughly covered.

    I've done a Goblin spectra too but can't find the photos yet. Sweets Keyaki will look pretty much like the Keyaki I've already done from JAC and Shinfuji. Reclaimed Elm would probably be similar to Red Elm above but a bit darker.

    If you hover over the photos I've usually named them so you'll know which is which but in this case it's the 3rd photo under Briwax. I have another where I compared White Oak with Briwax and Bee Kind but I can't find that one yet. It's part of a planned update when time permits.

    The Mesquite and Ash above are from RWB though I believe there have been other brands to release it as well.
     
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  14. Jasper B.

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    when did RWB release mesquite? If you couldn't tell already, I have always been into the idea of a mesquite kendama, so I am fairly excited it is a real thing:D
     
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  15. goenKendama

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    I picked that one up January last year. It and the Red Elm were the only ones they had in stock (of each kind) at the time. In case you haven't guessed I'm kind of a "wood nut" so when they said they had those I jumped on them.
     
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  16. goenKendama

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    Forgot to mention that if you have some shots and info on kendama you've treated with wood finisher, Kenditioner, coconut oil, or whatever, post them here. I'm kind of hoping that this thread will be a one-stop-shop for information regarding different woods and wood treatments.
     
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  17. Jasper B.

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    My question is how were those the only ones left?
    Those are the two I think are the most unique woods
    I really hope they restock mesquite and red elm, preferably in their new shape "The Sesh"
     
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  18. goenKendama

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    It seems that they were/are heavily taxed with the OEM work they do for GT, KUSA, REZ, etc. so making their own line takes a back seat (conjecture). When they do become available they vanish fairly quickly.
     
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  19. Jasper B.

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    I honestly thought I knew about everything about RWB, but I never knew they made mesquite. I will look forward to more sometime in the future, but I may just be hoplessly hoping.
     
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  20. goenKendama

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    Send them an email to ask if they will be doing any more of them and try to get on a mailing list to be notified about product releases either that or stalk them online and hope for the best.
     
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