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Discussion in 'The Lumber Yard' started by Cheech_Sander, Sep 20, 2016.

  1. Cheech_Sander

    Cheech_Sander Administrator Staff Member

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    While DS exchange is for buy/sell/trade, The Lumberyard is a place for manufacturers to talk shop.

    Share insights on wood grain, other build materials, and anything else DIY.

     
    Sep 20, 2016
  2. EWiens

    EWiens Member

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    What's up! Stoked to see how conversations between the makers can help educate players.

    Question to other makers: what is a common misconception about kendama manufacturing?

    One thing that stands out to me is wood density. Most think that wood species A will always be heavier than wood species B and that's just not true. I have Birch kens that are heavier than Hickory. To me its cool to think of all the external factors that can affect a tree's density. Did it have a hard life? We're the summers more beneficial than the springs? Did it grow slow or fast? <--- that question is a tricky one.

    Anyways... I love wood.
     
    Oct 11, 2016
  3. Cheech_Sander

    Cheech_Sander Administrator Staff Member

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    As a Californian I've always wanted a redwood kendama. With 70% of the known redwood populations already gone, your best bet for a legal redwood source is when a tree falls and the forest service puts it up for auction.

    Theoretically you could have a kendama that was around when Jesus was alive. Whoa.
     
    Oct 11, 2016
  4. Michael Joseph Reeves

    Michael Joseph Reeves Honed Member

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    So interesting I've never looked at it historically. How old are my damas? What have they been through?

    But yeah you would agree that some woods are usually heavier than others right? Like purpleheart has been pretty consistently heavier for me.

    What are the heaviest and most exotic woods in the kendama industry?
     
    Oct 15, 2016
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  5. EWiens

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    Yeah, Each wood is gonna have an average density. The average density of say, hickory is higher than birch. However, in my experience these species have a high standard deviation in density, in other words, there is a significant amount of lumber that is far away from the average density in both directions. I would think that rare exotics would have a low standard deviation in density because they are typically all grown in one particular area where as a common North American hardwood like hickory or birch is grown all over the country at different altitudes, climates, and conditions.

    When we buy wood we work with suppliers so we know about what weight ranges we are gonna get and then we weight every blank. From the blank size and weight you can calculate the density and then compare that to the volume of whatever we are making. So we know what the Ken and tama will roughly weigh before we even make them.

    Math is cool.
     
    Oct 15, 2016
  6. Michael Joseph Reeves

    Michael Joseph Reeves Honed Member

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    Awesome. Thanks for the info! What kendama company do you work with?
     
    Oct 16, 2016
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  7. EWiens

    EWiens Member

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    RWB (Russell Wiens Brocato)

    www.rwbmfg.com
     
    Oct 17, 2016
  8. Michael Joseph Reeves

    Michael Joseph Reeves Honed Member

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    i figured haha i need to try an rwb soon
     
    Oct 17, 2016
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  9. Cobikaze

    Cobikaze Honed Member

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    RWB = Awesomeness.
     
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  10. NicholasPereira

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    Who knew Eric was so smart =P
     
    Nov 2, 2016
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  11. Vlats

    Vlats Honed Member

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    So what do you think guys... What type of wood is the best for the most durable kendama?
     
    Nov 19, 2016
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  12. Cheech_Sander

    Cheech_Sander Administrator Staff Member

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    You guys will get a chance to try some RWB's as they are partners with DS for the giveaway series. video announcement coming soon!
     
    Nov 19, 2016
  13. Joel Clayton

    Joel Clayton Honed Member

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    who saw those rwb limited time kendamas. They were so sick!! they had super dope birth marks in them
     
    Nov 25, 2016
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  14. ChrisPChicken

    ChrisPChicken Slayer

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    I was able to score a Ken from the first Reserve Batch and I bought a Tama from the second ! Then , I received my second Tama from the batch as I went back on to purchase one for a friend . These were absolutely rediculous with the Burling and markings . I hope they keep these reserves to a low limit knowing how truly special they were to even have the chance to get before selling out so fast . "Play or Display" ...this is for my personal Display Collection ! Thanks ... I may be willing to part with the other Tama ? ;)
     
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  15. Congarranza

    Congarranza DS Legend

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    Isn't redwood available at lumber yards? My father in law does some woodworking up in humboldt county. When I visit the family up there, I see it everywhere in the house and friends' houses too. It's pricey, but it's available.
     
    May 10, 2017
  16. Cheech_Sander

    Cheech_Sander Administrator Staff Member

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    yes it is available. To harvest you need to get a permit which requires taking a tag. fallen trees only, with some exceptions. Basically it is totally possible but difficult. also one tree could probably make 100,000 kendamas
     
    May 11, 2017
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  17. Sam Strohmyer

    Sam Strohmyer Slayer

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    Hey I have a question, How large of a 'blank' do you guys usually start with (H,W,L,)? Do different woods/grain patterns require different looking blanks to produce? And do specialty woods require a larger/smaller blank to work with, or is it all pretty uniform across the industry?
     
    Oct 21, 2017
  18. Cheech_Sander

    Cheech_Sander Administrator Staff Member

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    Oct 21, 2017
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  19. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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    You'll find some conversation here about Raw material Size for Kendama Parts.
     
    Oct 23, 2017