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kenditioner.... linked to loose cups?

Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by Con man, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. Con man

    Con man Honed Member

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    ive notice after kenditioning my kendama my cups never want to stay on wondered if anyone else has the same thing happen?
     
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  2. poncho151

    poncho151 Honed Member

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    Kendamas rely on wood on wood friction and pressure to stay together (with the exception of fixed sarados i.e. Tribute). Some more than others depending on the shape design. So when you basically add a lubricant/kenditioner in-between that wood on wood contact, it makes sense that it would move or slide more freely. At least in the beginning when it’s still “greasy”. I haven’t used it in a long time though, so I don’t know what the current formula is like.
     
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  3. Con man

    Con man Honed Member

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    I find even after its soaked in and dried that it almost makes it a harder slick wood such as purple heart or any other slick hard woods
     
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  4. poncho151

    poncho151 Honed Member

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    I totally agree and one of the reasons I haven’t used it in a long time. I will say though, it does add a layer of protection from stains. Although I personally like to watch my kens change over time and break in with sweat, oil from my hands and just natural grime lol.
     
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  5. Con man

    Con man Honed Member

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    same here if I do use it its normaly on beech but I don't do the spike or by the sarado hole
     
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  6. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    I haven't had that much of an issue with it when kenditioning my kens, even the ones that have 2+ coatings are fine. How much are you using when you're kenditioning them?
    A few fixes I can think of off the top of my head would be to leave the area where the sarado sits on the spike unfinished, or to use a spacer to make the spike 'thicker' so the sarado sits on it more snuggly (Matt Sweets suggests the sticky part of a sticky note, personally I use a small strip of masking tape).
     
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  7. htimSxelA

    htimSxelA Moderator Staff Member

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    What sort of ken? Some are more prone to loose cups than others
     
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  8. Seabass

    Seabass Honed Member

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    Just leave the sarado on the Ken when kenditioning. That way you don't lube up the area of the spike that grips the sarado
     
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  9. goenKendama

    goenKendama Moderator Staff Member

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